tv CNN Town Hall Nancy Pelosi CNN October 4, 2017 6:00pm-7:00pm PDT
least -- with the potential of arrest if they were actually involved with the planning of this. >> there's still obviously a lot to be learned in the days and obviously weeks -- obviously this investigation could go on for a very long period of time. and they're being very transparent as they can, but at this point investigators want to hold back as much as they can. >> you're getting a lot of information from the sheriff. the fbi, general already think standard answer which they're involved in the mission ddle of investigation. >> there's one point they mentioned there. october 2016. seems to be when there's some kind of shift in his attitude. because that's when the buying spree -- this is when we start seeing the 33 guns that were purchased recently in the last year, when that began. so naturally the question mark is, what happened? what went on? was there something in his life? >> exactly. but he also purchased those at different stores. >> that's correct. >> so he would not be
recognized. >> exactly. >> so he wouldn't be recognized as the same person coming in over a span of a year, purchasing 33 rifles. >> phil in terms of how much training would somebody need in order to execute a plan like this and to come up with a plan like this? because it does seem relatively sophisticated in terms of creating this bunker-like atmosphere in that hotel suite, hooking up cameras to monitor the comings and goings, putting a camera on a room service tray table. the sheriff said the gunman had to have had help at some point. >> i'm not sure i would read that into what the sheriff said. i want to make sure we understand his mindset coming into this conversation. and why he's taco conspirators. if you go into this investigation on your issue of training and whether other people were involved, you have two options. one is three days in you have an option to say, i think he might have acted alone. that is a deadly mistake in this
business. you have to go in, regardless of what you know about the case this early on, with this volume of data, with an assumption that says, i cannot be sure that nobody else was involved. when i read the sheriff, he wasn't saying just that he might think, based on his theory, there was a larger conspiracy. he's saying what anybody, including myself, would say. until we prove that there is nobody else involved, i've got to assume there's somebody else because i can't come back in 30 days and say, from day one we kind of thought he acted alone, then we were surprised. you can't do that in this investigation. >> it's also interesting, phil. i keep coming back to the intervention, early intervention, by the hotel security guard who was shot through the doorway, according to law enforcement. and we heard from the sheriff saying some 200 rounds were fired into the hallway. that does seem to be a key moment in turning this killer from the focus outside, where
frankly had he continued he could have done a lot more damage, to focusing on the potential of somebody coming through that door. >> i think that's right. that was one of the most fascinating parts of the entire conversation today. and that is, you've got to assume for a lot of people that i looked at, especially terrorists in this situation, they're anticipating either killing themselves or what we call, unfortunately, suicide by cop. that is, they're going to get involved in a firefight with police or other law enforcement anticipating that they're going to die in the fire fight. they're a martyr in that situation. in this we have a number of clues. in addition to that substantial clue the sheriff gave that he believes or he suggested that this man intended to escape. we've got a lot of other weapons. we have the fact that he looked at the strip and other locations at times previous. he had acquired explosives that were not used in this event. all those taken together, he might have been trying to shoot himself out. the sheriff says he was trying to get to another location. he had materiel he didn't use.
you've got did draw the conclusion one of the concerns, he actually, i can't believe this thought there would be another event. you've got to ask yourself, where was that and how would he execute that? >> accurate. >> that's part of the problem. >> go ahead. >> quickly, the columbine killers believed the same thing too. they thought they were going to get out of the high school and actually detonate a bunch of explosives. their idea is that the escape is going to be as easy as the attack itself, and therefore they are sort of planning the next round. remember the boston marathon bombers also thought the same. so their delusions sort of continued past the event itself. >> the street around the concert area is just opened up, giving us a sense of the line of fire from the hotel. gary tuchman is there. gary, explain where you are, what you're seeing. >> anderson, we haven't been able to broadcast here until today, so close to the hotel and
the concert site. we want to give you a sense of the extraordinary distance these bullets carried. this is where the concert was, the route 91 harvest music festiv festival. this is across las vegas boulevard, eight lanes of traffic, four lanes to the north, four lanes to the south. and here is the mandalay bay hotel across the street from it. you can see the broken window on the 32ed floor where the gunman was firing his shots. he was 300 feet in the air when he was firing those shots and the bullets had to carry between 400 and 500 yards across the street. that's about a quarter mile into this concert venue. this is where everyone was. while he was firing those gunshots the bullets were flying over hundreds of cars. this is a very busy street. the bullets were flying over the cars going north, going south, and ending up killing 58 people who were at the concert. anderson? >> gary, it wasn't until i got here, it's hard to again, from the television, it's hard to get a sense just of the distance here. and i think that's one of the things.
it's really stunning to see the distance from there to there. >> we've been shooting on the other side, and the first day i came over here, all i said was, he had this mapped out very well. and you're right about the distance. i mean, one-quarter of a mile to 500 yards there is within the range of that 223 that we saw lying on the floor, well within the range of the 308s. >> he had to have had a sense of the layout of the hotel in order to know -- you can't just look at the hotel, know, okay, that's the 30-something floor, that's got to be room whatever the room number is. the hotel is sort of the same from each angle. >> he had. >> he must have asked to have a room facing the venue. >> and on the corner. because he broke the window on the corner here. so he had overlapping firing zones. and the corner one would cover this area over here. and the other one actually looked right straight over the venue. so he was able to hit people trying to escape out of this area over here, but also firing
into that mass crowd. >> another interesting thing, i walked that street very carefully this morning now that we're allowed to go through it. i was expecting at least somewhere up above in the line of sight going into where the convention was you'd see bullet holes in something, you'd see a ricochet mark, you'd see something. you don't. that september to say everything's cleaned up, it means many of his shots landed where he wanted them to go. >> monday i want to point out we met a young survivor here, addison short, from her hospital bed where she was recovering from a gunshot lunde to her leg. those wounds could have been so much worse if not for the strange history rescued her. here's what she said on this broadcast monday night. >> i just want -- it's the guy that helped me is watching, i really want to tell him how grateful i am for basically saving my life. and just thank you so much. >> do you know who he is? do you know his name?
no. >> no, i have no idea. i remember a little bit what was he looked like, but no, i didn't get his name. >> that's amazing, that if he's out there, you want him to know you're thankful. >> yeah, for sure. because i probably wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for him. >> we spent the last two days trying to find that hero for addison. we were finally able to reunite him with addison today, take a look. >> i don't think she remembered. she wasn't acting like she was shot. >> reporter: jimmy jackson comes to las vegas every year to attend the country music festival. when shots rang out on sunday night, he dove for cover, saw a young woman on the ground. >> we saw her when we dove under the bar. she came in after. there was probably about ten people laying there and her foot, i was laying this way, my wife was right here, her foot ended up in front of me and i saw her boot was just soaked through with blood.
so i was like, i'm going to take this off. she was in shock, obviously. so when i pulled the boot off, that's when the blood flying out, i was screaming for someone to give me a belt. there was a guy about two over duck in, he threw me the belt, and i held it. >> trying to do a turn cut? >> yeah, holding it tying, talking, trying to figure out -- i was trying to figure out where people are, where people were, so that, you know, we didn't run into gunfire. >> that's the thing, you can just as easily run into a bullet as you can running away. >> yeah. at this point we don't know if it's in the complex or out, in the fairgrounds. looking around, head-poking. i was thinking, a lot of time has passed. at this point we were there for two or three minutes. this is two or three minutes after it first started. there was no cops coming into -- by us or i couldn't hear my cops. i was thinking, okay, it must be kind of somewhere else. because they wouldn't run in if there's a sniper or something. then right above us, we could
hear probably like four, five feet above our head bullets going off the stanchions that were there. i felt like i got hit with something, oh my god, i think i got shot. i was looking, blood all over my hands from her. and i was like, am i bleeding? the guy beside me was, no, you're not bleeding. everybody laughed, me, my wife, and addison. and i was like, can you walk? she stood up, she couldn't. i just kind of grabbed her. still had the tourniquet. put her on my back. we ran around kind of the bar area all the way to -- there was like a wall that had some light posts on it. everybody was hiding behind there. so i put her there. last time i saw her is when i went to go get the scooter. i went back, made sure the tourniquet was tight, and then we took off. i think that's when the next person carried her. i took my wife, i think three or four women were running out there, we did it in spaces so it wouldn't be a long line to shoot at. >> you didn't know what had happened to her? >> i did not, no. >> reporter: after carrying her to safety jamie left her with an
off-duty police officer who put the woman in a taxi to go to the hospital. he didn't know her name or what happened to her until his mother-in-law saw her interview with me on monday night. >> the guy that helped me is watching, i really just want to tell him how grateful i am for basically saving my life. >> reporter: we followed jamie and his wife jennifer as they make their way through the hospital to addison's room. >> thank you so much. >> you're welcome. >> thank you. you have no idea how much i appreciate you guys. >> glad we could help. >> thank you. >> we left you with a cop, and then the whole night i was thinking -- until i saw the interview. >> i know. i didn't get anybody's names. i just had no -- and then i lost
my phone. then someone showed me a picture and i was like, yeah. that's one of the guys. so -- thank you guys so much. >> we were worried. >> yeah, i know. i was worried about you guys too. i was just hoping that you guys were okay. >> glad you're safe and doing good. >> thank you. >> reporter: the reunion is short. maybe 10 or 15 minutes. jamie and jennifer are glad they've made the trip. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> i can't thank you enough. he was so scared. >> outside addison's room, addison's mom and sister want to say their thanks as well. >> i'm glad you're okay. thank you. >> i'm just glad you're doing okay and you're going to get out
today. >> yeah, thank you so much. thank you for coming. i really appreciate it. thank you guys so much. >> spent a lot of time at a couple of different hospitals today, meeting with people. we'll have some of stor stories tomorrow. other people we just heard, were there, talked to them, there's so many people there who are so grateful to be alive, so grateful for the help of people who still remain strangers to them, whose names they never got, whose faces they can't really remember. there was so much heroism that took place on sunday night. one person said to me at the hospital who had helped a number of people escape said that the best of america was seen on sunday night down in that field with all those people going back time and time again to help complete strangers and a lot of lives were saved. as you know, the president was here earlier meeting with survivors at a hospital. also with first responders. cnn's jim acosta joins us now. i understand you have some new information about who the
president met with? >> that's right, anderson. white house press secretary sarah sanders briefed reporters on air force one headed back to washington, said the president met with eight families at that hospital earlier today. one interesting story that stands out, apparently the president met with a girl who was shot in the chest during this mass shooting in las vegas, did not realize she had been shot in the chest until after she was taken in and treated by medical personnel. apparently the bullet was right by her heart. the president was also, you heard him earlier today, talking about the killer. he described him as sick and demented. sarah sanders was asked about that, what did the president mean about that, did he have insights into the gunman's psychological makeup? sarah sanders basically told reporters she didn't want to get into that, she didn't have any more information about that. >> the president was asked a number of times about gun control. >> that's right. the president completely dodged that question, said he didn't want to talk about that today. he is going to have to face that question when he gets back to
washington. he's back in washington. when he deals with lawmakers tomorrow and friday. mainly because there's already talk up on capitol hill of banning those so-called bump stocks that allow semiautomatic weapons to be converted into basically automatic weapons that can fire rapidly. dianne feinstein, senator from california, is introducing that kind of legislation right now. interestingly, anderson, republicans who are normally sort of under the spell of the national rifle association are saying they may be on board with this. but the most interesting fact of all, lawmaker after lawmaker, talking to reporters earlier today, saying they had no idea these bump stocks existed. many of these lawmakers who wrap themselves in the flag of the national rifle association were firearms illiterate on the subject of bump stocks. i think we'll be hearing about that in the days ahead. >> jim acosta, appreciate the reporting. as always gun control is one of the subjects of the next hour. i want to hand things over to chris cuomo and the cnn town hall of house minority leader nancy pelosi.
good evening. i'm chris cuomo. police in las vegas have just released new details about that massacre in las vegas saying the shooter had a "secret life" and he had been stockpiling weapons for decades. the sheriff also revealed that authorities assume that that murderer had help in carrying out his plan. but they have not identified any accomplice. in fact, they established a tip line, they're saying they can't get too many leads. so please help them. there are a lot of questions that remain unanswered. but one thing we know for sure is that there was way too much loss, once again. 58 americans' lives taken, stolen. 500 people injured. and the hope of a nation certainly bruised as we all wonder, is there anything we can do
to stop this from happening again? so tonight we welcome house minority leader nancy pelosi for a cnn town hall. she's going to answer questions about the tragedy in las vegas in addition to other pressing issues.
our audience is made up of americans from across the political spectrum. leader pelosi, thank you for being here. we've had this on the books for a while. obviously, once again, it is a week that actually demands this type of discussion. so thank you for being here with us. >> thank you for your invitation. >> appreciate you taking the opportunity. all right, this isn't about you and i talking, it's about getting questions from the audience. we start with a very, very special guest. and i wish that we didn't have bob patterson with us tonight. bob patterson lost his wife in las vegas. and he joins us tonight. he has his 16-year-old daughter next to him. bob, i was speaking to you before. thank you for having the strength to take this opportunity. i am so sorry to have to have you under these circumstances. our thoughts and prayers, our condolences are with you, your beautiful daughter, and the memory of your wife. thank you for joining us. what would you like to say tonight? >> thank you for having me.
leader pelosi, i am not opposed to having a gun for protection. my wife and i had a gun for that reason. we talked about guns and both felt that there's no reason to own the type of guns and the amount of ammunition that the shooter had. there was sandy hook, florida, san bernardino. how many more lives have to be taken before something is done? congresswoman pelosi, as a leader on capitol hill, what are you going to do to stop this? >> first of all, thank you for sharing this time with us. amber, to you and your dad, the again the condolences of all america are with you. your question is one that everyone is asking. in fact, john lewis asked it on
the steps of the capitol today over and over again. before i answer, i want your permission to pray for your family. may i have your permission? thank you. i feel honored by that. >> i would love that. >> of course, please. >> i feel honored by that. we have been trying for a very long time to get really commonsense gun safety, gun violence prevention legislation, passed. as you ask the question so well. children in a classroom, people in church, young people in a nightclub, many more thousands listening to music, coming together as a community. how many more incidences of this should it take? it's important to note that people -- it is defined, a mass murder is defined as four murders or more at one episode. and there are like one a day in our country. 270-some mass murders. so all we're asking for is to say, can we have background checks so people who shouldn't
have guns don't have them? that may not have prevented what happened in las vegas. we don't know all of the details of that yet. but it could prevent and has prevented many, many other murders. we've asked the speaker, if you don't want to take that suggestion, which is bipartisan, it is -- please let's put together a select committee, a 60-day term, to say, let's find our common ground. we take an oath to protect and defend the american people. and we're not doing that. so your impatience and your -- the weight that you bring to your question is a real challenge to the conscience of all of us. and we're never going to rest, we've said this to the families over and over again, we're never going to rest until we get this done. but we have to shorten the distance between what is inevitable to us and inconceivable to others. we have to bring that closer together. so thank you for turning your
grief into power to make a difference in other people's lives. thank you for the honor to be able to pray for your family. >> thank you. >> bob patterson, amber, thank you for joining us tonight. let us know how we can help going forward. >> thank you. >> all right, so a heavy perspective there to this. but it is one where there are many people, bob patterson, his wife, they now have a new extended family of people who feel for them. >> that's right. >> then at the same time, there is this hope for a remedy that has eluded us. it raises the question of, what is this one thing that we could have done? what could have been done? dan hinksson, retired u.s. marine captain, owns a small gun store in virginia. thank you for being with us, thank you for your service to the country. what's your question? >> thank you for taking my question. this is very difficult for me. as a retired marine.
to see these kinds of travesties happening in my country. then on the flip side of that, as someone who is in the firearms industry, who caters to clients who support the second amendment and are trying to acquire firearms for their own personal protection, you know. it's very difficult. my condolences go out to those who have been injured and killed and their families. my question is, given the totality of the events surrounding this latest incident, we have potentially a lone wolf shooter, although that's being questioned now i think for very good reason. someone who's a multi-millionaire. spent thousands upon thousands of dollars to acquire his means of destruction. you know, legally, from all -- everything that we can see. you know, someone with that kind of motivation, what new law can we put out there that would stop something like this? >> first, let me thank you as a marine. your service to our country. and thank you for your thoughtful question, dan.
we had come together in a bipartisan way to put together what we thought would save the most lives. and that is to have background checks. gun violence prevention, background checks. and to have them be effective. i believe that when the surveys are taken about this, dan, overwhelmingly members of the national rifle association support background checks. gun owners, the person who's the head of our task force, mike thompson, congressman mike thompson of california, he is a vietnam vet, wounded in vietnam, a gun owner, hunter. we all support the right of the second amendment right to bear arms. so that it isn't a question of that. it is a question of saying, the people that you sell guns to i'm sure would not object to having a background check. hm? >> they all get checked. >> they all get checked. but there are loopholes.
loopholes, internet, loopholes at the gun shows. and we want to -- and there's one other loophole -- >> person to person sales sometimes. >> so if we could expand the background checks to include those, it would save lives. but it isn't the complete answer. we'd have to do many other things as well. and people have to be vigilant. we don't want people reporting on each other, we respect people's not only second amendment rights but their fourth amendment rights. but something must have been obvious to someone about this along the way. >> right. >> but thank you for what you do and for saying your folks get checked. >> also, dan, i hear where you're coming from on this. unfortunately, as one of many unwilling students of this problem in this country, because i've been to well over a dozen of these mass murders now. often it does come down, well, but he wasn't adjudicated mentally ill. it's almost always he.
he didn't have a criminal background. so he would have cleared any kind of background check that you have. and there is that frustration. but this time's different, madam leader, and here's why. the bump stock that this man bought legally, it is allowed, it's a little bit of an end run around the spirit of the law of modifying weapons but it exists. it allowed him to increase the range of his weapons, to increase the amount of bullets he put out there. that is something, if they were illegal, he would not have been able to do that, he would not have been able to have the killing power he brought to bear on bob patterson's wife and 57 other people and others who were injured. what about that? >> that is something we should do right away. people were not aware of the bump stock or the bump fire stock, people call it one thing or another. and i do think there would be bipartisan support coming together to pass a bill to make it illegal to sell those. because you can buy them now --
>> completely legal. >> but there are many people who are killed without that kind of capacity on the streets of our cities every night. we have to recognize that again, the responsibility to protect people, to have laws which do not endanger them. and again, by respecting, as mr. patterson said, he had a gun for protection. he wasn't antigun ownership. yet he was posing the question, what are we going to do? >> the bump stock is different, it allows for basically what this man was doing, suppressive fire, accurate fire that was bursts of bullets to do as much destruction as precisely as he could. do you think you could get republicans to sign on to that measure as a first step? >> some people aren't signing on. some republicans are expressing in the press their interest in perhaps supporting it. there are all kinds of things.
so many people introduced bump stock bills or plan to this week because it's outrageous. most people didn't realize this capacity was so accessible and what it could do from having it be one shot to being hundreds of shots. but something that we did with president bush when i was speaker was we had the digital, in terms of the background checks, digitizing, the funds to do that, so that people would -- it was more serviceable. now somebody said -- i think somebody in the white house was saying, oh, chicago has the toughest gun laws in the country, but still they have the most murders on the street. well, all you do is cross the line into indiana, open up your trunk, fill it up, take it back. so we have to have a national law to do that. if you're going to a gun show or buying on the internet. >> so let's talk about that. how we could weave together policy. our next guest is somebody who thinks about this a lot.
colin goddard. we first met him during the virginia tech massacre in 2007 -- >> the bill that we passed was right following virginia tech. it was a result of that. >> colin was shot four times there. ten years after the shooting, he's still getting surgeries for it, he's on crutches right now, they just removed fragments from his hip joint. the surgery was successful, colin says, and that's good news. you understand the issue, beyond your own personal experience you've done a lot of homework on this what's your question? >> leader pelosi, i like so many americans continue to watch more shootings, worse, and more shootings unfold in this country, then listen to some elected officials say, now is not the time to talk about making change, then watch them inevitably do nothing. here in d.c. we've had debates, we've had hearings, we've had votes in the senate, but nothing in the house, for years. so my question is, why has the house ignored this issue as more and more americans have been killed? what can house democrat dozen
about it? what can we in the public do about it as well? >> all we want is a vote. i feel quite certain there would be bipartisan support to pass the background check bill. it is thompson-king, peter king of new york, republican. we have a number of people who have said they would support the bill. let me just say to speaker ryan, just give us a vote. the only reason you won't give us a vote is if you think we would win, but that's a reason to give us a vote. president lincoln, he said public sentiment is everything. and this is time for the public really to weigh in. and we just have to keep persisting. because we have these moments of silence. and certainly we want to be prayerful and respectful in a moment of silence. but people are impatient of that. they want action. and action is possible. we have the bill. it's bipartisan. give us a vote. and again, the more that people
will speak overwhelmingly, american people support the background check bill. this is not an extreme. this is commonsense, would save the most lives. >> there's an offset to the optimism, isn't there? when you had the majority, you couldn't get this done. even the dubump stock. i'm not saying it was a white house initiative. it first came through 2010, that was the obama administration, democrats in control. why confidence that if you couldn't get it done when you had the numbers, now that you don't have the numbers, you could get it done? >> you have to remember that you have to have 60 votes in the united states senate to do anything that is not shall we say under reconciliation, which is getting into another subject. so the people in the senate are reluctant to vote for something they think is not going to pass in the house, same thing in the house, if it's not going to pass in the senate. because there's a strong influence of the national rifle association ain the congress of the united states, there's just
no question about it. there's some thought that the national rifle association gave george bush's manifestations of his campaign $30 million. $30 million. so this is i think one thing we have to do is take money out of politics and that would be very wholesome. reduce the role of money in politics. apart from that, we have to just take it to the public and just say, how can you say now is not the time? or, we're not ready yet? how many more lives, as mr. patterson said, how many more times does this have to happen before we just say -- and you know, i say to my colleagues, your political survival is not as important as the survival of little children in newtown. or the prayerful people in south carolina. or the kids in pulse. or these people in nevada. or you at virginia tech. political survival, what? who cares? we're talking about the lives of the american people.
and we just have to -- we promised all of the families come to see us all the time. moms of kids shot in the street. little children, 4 years old, drive high by or something. come to see us all the time and we keep saying -- i'll just tell you one thing, the most beautiful day was when beggabbys there, children from newtown and the rest and vice president biden came. he was such a consolation to the parents. because he had lost a child. and now he's lost another child. he lost a little child in a car accident, then this was after beau died. so the empathy that they had was a beautiful thing. he could appreciate their pain better than the rest of us. but we just all -- i think if we call -- i know hunters in california my friends. they keep saying, we want to have the background check. >> but it gets complicated,
right? because there's a culture of self-defense. and of belief in the second amendment. >> that's fine. nobody's denying that. >> that leads us to our next question, amanda collins. she became a second amendment activist after she was the victim of a sexual assault at gunpoint as a college student. she runs an organization who advocates for victims and women's rights to self-defense. amanda, thanks for joining us, what's your question? >> thank you for having me. leader pelosi, you've been talking about needing to pass as many laws -- or the laws in order to save the most lives. the very law that was passed in order to ensure my safety while i was on my college campus was in fact what guaranteed my attacker an unmatched victim the night he raped me at gunpoint less than 50 feet away from the campus police office, on the same floor of the parking garage where they park their cruisers. and so my question to you is,
how does rendering me as a law-abiding citizen protect anybody else from a violent crime? >> i'm sorry, i missed the verb. how does limiting? >> how does rendering me defenseless, me liening a law-abiding citizen, by taking away my ability to defend myself in the manner in which i believe i should be able to choose to, where i want to, how does rendering me defenseless protect anybody else from a violent crime? >> well, let me be a consolation to you, no one is advocating that. we're not talking about taking guns away from people. what we're talking about is to make sure that people who have guns register, and that there are background checks on that to prevent other people from being in harm's way. no one is questioning your right to have a gun or to limit your safety at all, not at all. so hopefully that
clarification -- because that is part of the argument, well, you're going to take away -- nobody's taking away anybody's gun. all we're saying is you should have a background check. and people, responsible gun owners from the hills of arizona to the duck blinds of minnesota, all over, say, we're all law-abiding, we have many guns, we have as many guns as he had, but we have background checks. >> if i may just follow up with that. i respect what you're saying about not wanting to take away our firearms. i didn't have my firearm that evening because my university is a gun-free zone. i'm asking about the gun-free zone -- >> right, just because you don't have the mike i'll repeat the question. she's saying there was a law that had a gun-free zone which is seen as obviously a deterrent. amanda saying it worked in
reverse, in her case, because she wasn't allowed to carry, the bad guys can always get the guns because they get them illegally, they don't worry about doing it the way a lawful citizen would, so they have an advantage. should you be creating laws that give advantage to the wrong people? >> would you have had a gun -- >> absolutely. >> you would have been carrying a gun? >> yes, at the time of my attack i had a concealed carry permit, however, being a law-abiding citizen, i follow the law and did not have my firearm with me. >> right. look, statistically, amanda was a rare breed, right? that you had a concealed carry permit, and you could have been in a position to have a weapon, but the law kept you from doing it and you followed the law. >> and the other person broke the law. >> that's right. but in general, most people don't have concealed carry permits. but the principle stands. when you make it harder for someone like amanda or me to get a gun, then you are making it easier for bad guys. because they don't follow the law. >> let me just go back to what i
said. we're talking about a bill that would say, you have to have a background check. >> right. >> 72 hours. it's a very short background check. so i'm not making it harder for you to have a gun. all we're just saying is that you have to have a background check. that somebody was on the campus with a gun is a violation of that and they should have had better protection for you. but people are generally trying to protect as many people as possible. your situation is heartbreaking, i sympathize with you, you're my daughter's age, so i put myself in that kind of a situation, as a mother, how i would feel about that? but it isn't -- as horrible as the incident was, we're trying to protect -- stop as many other incidences. and the evidence is clear that when we did have the background checks before all of this, gun shows and internet purchases and the rest, hundreds of thousands
if not a couple million sales were prevented from happening, and that saved lives. >> all right. we need to take a break. appreciate the questions. i appreciate seeing both sides of this issue. it's a conversation we need to have. we're going to be right back with more of cnn's town hall with leader nancy pelosi. please stay with cnn. ♪ ♪ you nervous? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hey hun, huh! we gotta go. come on. ♪
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on xfinity x1, online, and the xfinity stream app. thirsty? thank you for joining us at the cnn town hall. we have democratic leader nancy pelosi. we just had a very thoughtful and robust debate over what to do about gun laws in the wake of las vegas. but there's a lot of other news to unpack with the leader as well. for instance, what's going on with the secretary of state? and his relationship with the president? we've almost never seen this kind of perceived disconnect playing out in public. lots of people have disagreed at that level in private. but cnn is reporting that president trump heard about this report or someone told him or he read something that the secretary of state had called him a moron during a meeting at
the pentagon this summer. and that there was a push to want him out, that maybe the chief of staff had pushed back. and then we had that bizarre press conference today from the secretary of state who basically just came out to say, i like the president. >> you know what i said about people who want to go work in the trump administration. know your blood type. this is a very awkward place to work. so i don't know what the reality was, if he said it, if he didn't it, whatever it is. but it's a tough place to work. and it's not about your contribution to the country, it's about your loyalty to the president. >> but let's assume that everything the secretary of state said today is true. okay? he never said that or he doesn't want to tant it, it's petty, it didn't happen, they don't have a problem, he loves the president, he loves his service for the country, and it's fine. there is a basic energy that is happening around the president that seems to be counterproductive.
there's a question for you as democrats. i understand that on one level of political analysis, that's in quotes good to have instability around the white house because it gives you some operating leverage. but when you're talking about it at this level and the concerns that are on the table with north korea, even with what we saw in puerto rico, with the storms, with the people there -- maybe it's not a time for political leverage, maybe it is a time to reach across in a way that may not be politically advantageous, but is the right thing to do for people. are you thinking about that on the leadership level of the democrats to say, we want to reach across more, we're not going to sit back and watch, we're going to try to help, we're going to try to make this better? >> we have a responsibility to the american people that we honor, that we have a responsibility to find our common ground and where we can't, we must stand our ground. we work very closely with president bush who did one of the worst things in american history, took us into the war in iraq on the basis of a false premise.
wasn't true. weapons of mass destruction. they knew it wasn't true. but nonetheless, when we took the majority, or even in the minority, we worked closely with him. me passed the biggest energy bill in the history of our country. we passed legislation to help poor kids. pepfar for aids drugs. the list goes on and on of what we did with president bush. that's our responsibility. it has nothing to do with whether the president likes his secretary of state or doesn't like -- i mean, that's almost trivial compared to the challenges that our country faces and that we want our president to succeed. but again, we have to honor our values as we weigh the equities on any of the decision wet make. but no, we have a responsibility to find common ground. this isn't even a debate. it's actually who we are. and actually quite different from when the republicans took the majority, when president obama was president and leader
mitch mcconnell said the most important thing we can do is to make sure he doesn't succeed. that is unheard of. i've never heard of such a thing in our country. we wouldn't engage in that. yes, we've already reached across the aisle to the president for daca, to save the d.r.e.a.m.ers, to talk about how to keep government open, we've already had that conversation. >> the reason i ask is people can hear the question, hear the comment, and say, well, that's not true. but it's not democrats saying it. republican senator bob corker said today he thinks secretary tillerson, secretary mattis, chief of staff kelly, are the people that "help separate our country from chaos." now that is a remarkable statement on several levels. but i'm asking it to double down on this proposition. the president if asked about this, i suspect, because he's said it in the past, would say that you guys are freezing him out, that you are oppositional. i know what happened on daca, we'll talk about that later tonight, about the realities of
that. i'm wondering when you see something like that corker saying, these men are so important, this stability is so fragile, adult it motivate you to do more to reach across than has been done to date? >> we have to have common ground. we all bring our values to it. now we're engaged in the battle of the budget on the floor of the house and tomorrow as well. tied to that is the -- what the president and republicans in congress are proposing on taxes. we'd love to come together to have tax reform, work together in a bipartisan way. instead they did their tax cuts for the high end, sent it over, and said this is our first and last offer, take it or leave it. that's not any way to have bipartisanship. this is very important. the battle of the budget, the budget is the statement of our national values. show me your budget, show me your values, what is important to us as a nation, to invest in the education of our children, in science, protecting the
environment, the rest of it, all of the things, building the infrastructure of america. instead of a budget that takes us well into debt, trillions of dollars into debt, in order to give a tax cut to the wealthy. and while they're doing it to cut $1 trillion over medicaid and $500 billion out of medicare in order to give a tax cut to corporate america and to the high end. so that's not -- we don't have -- that's a fight. that's a fight. can we find common ground? on true tax reform? yes. will we have to work together to keep government open? yes. but we just don't say, because you can't get along with your cabinet that we're going to give away the store to you, no. >> in terms of places of common ground, one place where there seems to be absolutely not a grain of sand that unites you is on the russia investigation. and just hours ago the senators in charge of the probe announced they're still looking into whether president trump or anyone on his campaign colluded
with the russians. which is an illegally operative term but could mean something politically. there's new reporting from cnn showing that russian-linked facebook ads specifically targeted people in wisconsin and michigan. and obviously we know those states loomed very large in the decisiveness of the election in 2016. so with that as a context, let's bring in sharise kahida, communications specialist for the university of california in washington, a program, she has a question about this. sharise, what's your question? >> good evening, leader pelosi, very aye nice to be here with you. on behalf of myself and my colleagues and the students at university of california, it's an honor to be here this evening. so my question is, with the growing prominence of tech companies like facebook and twitter and the roles in the dissemination of sometimes true, sometimes false information, what do you feel their civic duty is? should there be screening? if so, does that ever impede upon freedom of speech? >> thank you very much, sharise,
for your question. we are blessed with the advances in technology in terms of communication and so many other advances. i really do believe some of the advances in technology enabled us to have advances in biomedical research and the rest. and in just sharing medical data. it's been a wonderful, beautiful blessing. however, it has its dangers. and we're however we go forward with it, we have to calibrate the privacy of people as well as not to be exploited by them. there's no question the russians exploited our electric tort system. now, to what extent, i keep saying we have an investigation into the congress. the republican majority, and we have an investigation inside the justice department with those limitations. we need an outside independent
commission to do an investigation. not so much about the past, but about the future and that our electoral system's integrity will not be in doubt. and it's a bigger question beyond the elections as well, but it is something that our best minds, ethical thinking as well as technology, technological experts have to apply themselves to. the senator said that they -- didn't they say that the commercial should be released but they may not do it? >> right. >> i'm not sure. but i think the american people will demand that. but there are many sources including what children are exposed to and the rest. we have our freedom of speech, we have our privacy protections and we have the advances of technology that are inevitable. so this is a bigger question than just what the russians did. >> but it gets to be a little bit of a sticky wicket just to
scratch at this a little bit more because they have a lot of technology right now and for whatever reason the facebook and twitter and the social media platforms, we have -- they may as well -- we'll see what your investigation is, but they have lots of abilities right now that either didn't allow them or they decided not to blow up these efforts. so how you do this gets a little sticky. i mooef, you've got democratic senators warner and chloe by cher, i think, who are saying they should keep track of anybody who buys ads in excess of -- well, where does that number come from and what does that do in terms of killing speech. if you start keeping lists of who do things, will that disenty viez people or start screening content, that gets very subjective very quickly. would you be for the -- >> yes. >> you would be for that. >> but let me tell you what
because almost anybody buys an ad that's on cnn or tv or anything has an authority line. and we want fuller disclosure of who is buying the ads. that's why we are against the dark money that came from the citizens united decision. where does this come from. of course in california we have laws about this and in the rest of the country. usually when you see a commercial, you see who paid for the ad on tv. why wouldn't you see who paid for the ad, at least $10,000 on social media. but again, all of a sudden this revelation occurred, and it's a big issue. and i think it requires a big conversation. but the proposal that senator warner and senator chloe by cher put forth is a modest, i think, approach to it.
but it's an approach -- >> well, money not the subjectivity which she originally brought up how do you decide what is real and what is fake? >> if we were as congress to say we're going to reveal these ads, which we may do. we're going to show these ads because people should see -- it's very interesting. it's very dangerous. but if you would see these ads, but at the same time we would have a responsibility to protect. >> right. >> people who are being used in the ads as well. so it isn't -- this isn't a frivolous thing. and many of us who are interested in the public knowing who is advertising, and by the way, it's not legal for a foreign government to interfere in our election. that's a whole other thing as an in kind contribution. they're subtle about how they do
it. but nonetheless, one who works closely with our tech community and one who wants the ads to be identified, i see the balance that we have to have. but thank you for your questions. >> all right. let's take a break. a lot of people online are saying what about puerto rico? we're going to discuss it at the cnn taun hall with leader nancy pelosi right after this quick break. [applause] this is electricity. ♪ this is a power plant. this is tim barckholtz. that's me! this is something he is researching at exxonmobil: using fuel cells to capture carbon emissions at power plants. this is the potential. reducing co2 emissions by up to 90%... while also producing more power. this could be big. energy lives here. directv has been rated #1 in customer satisfaction over cable for 17 years running. but some people still like cable. just like some people like
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welcome back to the cnn town hall. we have democratic leader nancy pelosi with us tonight. we've been covering a lot of hot topic issues in terms of the need for debate in this country about what matters. puerto rico should be in sharp focus when you're talking about where the need is right now for americans. the president just came back from puerto rico and he said he saw things were tough there but the response was great and he was well received except for some fake reporting. let me tell you this as someone who was just in puerto rico. they all say the same thing. the need is great. there's a phrase that's a new
phrase down there. do you have water and power? that's what we're asking each other on a daily basis. the need is great. there's nothing fake about that. let's have a discussion about the reality right now. i want to bring in david ga her rescue. he is puerto rican. he lives in new york. he still has not heard from some of hiss extended family in puerto ricoment david, what is your question for the speaker? thank you for being with us. >> sure. thank you for having me. leader pelosi, the people in puerto rico have so much empathy and fashion and mourn the lives of all those lost in las vegas, but as i stand here today, people are dying in puerto rico. they're dying because just as chris said, they don't have access to water, to food, to even basic medicines. i've been hearing reports about people burying their dead in their own backyards. these are 3.5 million u.s. citizens and two weeks is way too long to getting those basic supplies. what are you